tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-302747872237226306.post427137297474171961..comments2023-12-25T16:53:44.730-05:00Comments on Exposing the Lies and Fabrications of Deborah Feldman: Another Murder Accusation in Deborah's BookRShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05130511171938471650noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-302747872237226306.post-60291990182483706232021-02-02T14:34:50.654-05:002021-02-02T14:34:50.654-05:00Wow, it’s eye opening how crazy people can be.
Th...Wow, it’s eye opening how crazy people can be. <br />The book is about Deborah’s personal experience, who cares about the accuracy some rabbi story she briefly mentioned in the book? A person’s recollection of an event is never accurate. You can’t call someone a liar when she is sharing how she experienced her childhood. It’s her point of view to an event, just because it’s different from yours, that doesn’t make anyone a liar. Hollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05802392407753345474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-302747872237226306.post-34748638238077784382012-02-26T11:24:33.145-05:002012-02-26T11:24:33.145-05:00"4. If you heard some rumors in fifth grade d..."4. If you heard some rumors in fifth grade don't discuss it here."<br /><br />If you will, RS will make sure to publicize your lies.Yo'av Pearlmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03282517099311776979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-302747872237226306.post-49323568290946528712012-02-26T11:22:08.857-05:002012-02-26T11:22:08.857-05:00No? In which Satmar did YOU grow up in?No? In which Satmar did YOU grow up in?Yo'av Pearlmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03282517099311776979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-302747872237226306.post-27133537460746720522012-02-23T13:11:55.068-05:002012-02-23T13:11:55.068-05:00Another point. Roize'la passed away in year 57...Another point. Roize'la passed away in year 5714. Now, nobody can provide me with a date to this story woth the stairs...Cherry Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05912706566321136971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-302747872237226306.post-69811628043174040212012-02-23T13:08:32.915-05:002012-02-23T13:08:32.915-05:00Being a Satmar Chusid, i've heard this rumer.
...Being a Satmar Chusid, i've heard this rumer.<br />Now to a few points to the story.<br />First, as writen in the article the Rebe had 3 daughters. Ester passed away as a girl in year 5681, Rachel passed away in year 5691. If Rachel was pregnant or not I don't know. Roize'la, the last daughter of the Rebe wasn't liked by the people in the Rebes court.... (I will not write the reason,due to the fact that i don't want to write on people not alive anymore).<br />Now to the story. 1)The fact that she was pushed down the stairs (the only place it couldv'e been would be in the Rebes house at 500 Bedford Av.) makes scenes, but don't I can't know if it is in fact true. <br />2)If she passed away in results to an abuses, meaning pushed down steps is a total lie.<br />3)The rumer was spread by people that opposed the Beirach Moishe as the next Rebes, they claim that the people that wanted to see him as Rebe pushed her down and killed the Rebes successor. <br />Now, this part of the story can also not be true, since the people that didn't like her, and pushed her down stairs (if there was such a story) didn't like the Beirach Moishe either....<br />4) The story that she was killed in result of this story goes together with the rumer that she was pregnant..<br />So lets gather the facts and see if such a MURDER ever accured...Cherry Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05912706566321136971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-302747872237226306.post-21366588207422991112012-02-23T04:25:00.807-05:002012-02-23T04:25:00.807-05:00WRONG, this story is NOT told in Satmar. You just ...WRONG, this story is NOT told in Satmar. You just made it up.RShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130511171938471650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-302747872237226306.post-71045771378640211132012-02-23T04:05:17.718-05:002012-02-23T04:05:17.718-05:00I respectfully ask the readers to keep the convers...I respectfully ask the readers to keep the conversations mature and on topic.<br /><br />1. If you are not at least 18, please don't comment.<br /><br />2. If don't know how and when to use a comma, quotation mark, dot etc. don't comment.<br /><br />3. If you are unfamiliar with some facts (e.g. "fourth grade education" accusation) google it.<br /><br />4. If you heard some rumors in fifth grade don't discuss it here.<br /><br />5. If it sounds stupid to your own ears, it is going to sound stupid to the reader. Don't post it here.<br /><br />I ask the readers to cooperate so that we don't have to moderate the comments.RShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130511171938471650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-302747872237226306.post-7488704649187865882012-02-23T03:16:48.678-05:002012-02-23T03:16:48.678-05:00"By all accounts she wasn't harmed by the..."By all accounts she wasn't harmed by the incident"<br />Number 1 I thought there was only one roumer <br />Number 2 do you know she passed away 8 weeks after the alleged incidentבן בגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12839541153841233648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-302747872237226306.post-13612768652218989012012-02-23T03:12:17.332-05:002012-02-23T03:12:17.332-05:00Great point David about the Baal sham tov story...Great point David about the Baal sham tov story's<br /><br />And שי״ג book מושיען של ישראל about R' Yoel TB has more lies then Feldman's bookבן בגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12839541153841233648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-302747872237226306.post-51584507941662711332012-02-22T17:23:04.980-05:002012-02-22T17:23:04.980-05:00So you admit there was a rumor of her being pushed...So you admit there was a rumor of her being pushed down a flight of steps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-302747872237226306.post-37522654618866354572012-02-22T14:42:05.936-05:002012-02-22T14:42:05.936-05:00As much as i know as a chasid, there was NEVER suc...As much as i know as a chasid, there was NEVER such a rumor within satmar chasidim that the rebbes daughter was pushed down a flight of steps while pregnant and being killed as a result, simply NEVER. what really was a rumor is, that she was pushed down a flight of steps in her father's home. but by all accounts she wasn't harmed by the incident.mooooooooooshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12207857024670129859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-302747872237226306.post-46698208161350414392012-02-22T13:07:33.061-05:002012-02-22T13:07:33.061-05:00An interesting observation. All this has proven th...An interesting observation. All this has proven though is that yet ANOTHER Chassidish Maise whispered from person-to-person isn’t true. I’ll admit that my expertise is the history of the Chabad movement, their families and writings; I know very little about Joel Teitelbaum and his family. But I’m certain that there are who may have heard this rumor.<br /><br />To put it bluntly: If Deborah Feldman had been thinking of a Baal Shem Tov story in that chapter, we would have all the analysts proving (probably correctly) that the story couldn’t have happened because of time and dates. MOST stories told by Rebbes and amongst Chassidim aren’t true. For further reading, I suggest Shea Mundshein’s excellent “Sipurim V’gliguleihem” series.<br /><br />Why is she STILL not lying? Context is everything. Unless you can prove that there was no such rumor among Chassidic children, your work is still cut out for you. You seem to be making a claim that she never could have heard such a thing because it didn’t happen. I present as a counterargument every Baal Shem Tov and Rebbe maise ever told to us as children.<br /><br />Yareh Ha’am V’yishpot<br /><br />Context is everything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-302747872237226306.post-58113482646856122012-02-22T08:21:28.736-05:002012-02-22T08:21:28.736-05:00SR is this the first time you heard this story?
I ...SR is this the first time you heard this story?<br />I can find you a lot of people who are still in the fold who believe this story<br />I'm not saying it's true I wasn't there but to tarnish the book as lies because of this story is wrong<br />This story is told in a lot of Frum homes in satmerבן בגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12839541153841233648noreply@blogger.com